PeterRayner

My apologies to the community involved for being so cynical but it does seem that there is a very marked reluctance by employers to award these indefinidos.

I was talking to a president of a community last year and his advice was to avoid awarding these at all costs but it seems almost immoral to me to employ someone on a temporary contract for 6 months then to let them go just to avoid granting them the security of an indefinido.

Daverock

I agree completely Peter but the other side of it is that a lot of people take advantage once they get an indefinido and it can cost the employer a lot of money.

PeterRayner

Yes that was the basis of my friends arguement.

JAnot

Of course there is always another side to the issue. As president, I really had to fight to get an indefinite contract for the maintenance man. I insisted because this particular man is really valuable, works resonably hard but takes pride in keeping the place clean and is always ready to help anybody.
The administrator wanted to put the job out to a contract business who would provide one workman fulltime as we needed. She warned me that our man could, if he wanted, go on sick leave and the community would have to pay his salary for 18 months, whilst employing someone else in the meantime. This is a big risk for a community to incur such an expense. Getting people in on contract removes this risk, but of course also probably removes any incentive on the part of the worker care about the place.

As an example of what can happen, we have been trying to get 'vado permanente' (legal No Parking signs) signs outside the complex for 12 months now. The man in the town hall who does these is on sick leave, and has been for a year, so nothing gets done. The town hall are not allowed to hire someone else to do his job.

The fault lies with employment laws. Employees are so well protected that giving someone a contract is too risky for some.

Daverock

Agreed. We'd like to expand a bit more ourselves but would need to employ someone. I'm really dubious about doing so. What a ridiculous situation when employment law stops people from creating jobs.

JAnot

The laws work against the small employer. A large company can employ large numbers and know that statistically, a small number will be genuinely be ill or abuse the system and be off work for 18 months. If you employ one person, this is a huge risk if he/she takes long sick leave or maternity leave. How could you afford to pay?

Daverock

To be honest it is too much of a risk for us. I can fully understand why a very small employer would avoid giving an indefinido. It could be the end of a small business.

9PLUS

Well everything that´s been said so far i totally agree with, Employment laws in Spain suck.



I´ve seen your new Van Dave

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I've had it more than 2 years

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No David the new one, at the Andorra branch

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