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Old 27th August 2007, 15:42   #1 (permalink)
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Why would Britain agree to this?

I´m not stupid. I understand that there are potential problems with security. But this is extremely draconian and compromises the integrity and security of many Brits. Why is your country so ready to agree to this scheme?

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Old 27th August 2007, 15:54   #2 (permalink)
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Does the UK have any choice? This is an American measure, and without compliance, no Brit would be able to have a chance of going there.

Let's bear in mind too that this is the Daily Mail ... a tabloid that just loves generating outrage. What they are actually describing, when they talk about "huge amounts of information on individual passengers" is, as even they cannot hide, "details of their credit cards, home addresses, e-mail addresses, frequent-flier records and even requests for special meals" ... in other words, no more information than any airline would already hold as a result of taking the booking.
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Old 27th August 2007, 16:07   #3 (permalink)
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Why is your country so ready to agree to this scheme?
Do you know that saying "I'll play your fiddle"?
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To be honest it is not as bad as the Daily Mail make out (surprise surprise). They make it sound as if no-one can travel to the US from Britain. What it means in reality is that those refused entry will not be told why.

If this is what they need to do in the name of security then so be it. Not a big deal in my book.
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I agree with daverock because everyone knows the papers tell half the truth most of the time and plus it was the government who agreed to it not the people of Britain
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Let's bear in mind too that this is the Daily Mail ... a tabloid that just loves generating outrage.
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An Obvious Reaction by the USA

Let's face it, many of our European countries have been disturbed about the UK's liberal attitude to immigration. Four years ago, whilst in Paris, an hotelier voiced his concerns to me regarding the 'laissez faire' approach of the British Government to every Tom, Francois, Pedro, Ali and Harry being freely able to jump on the free education, health service, handouts wagon.

Now the UK is paying the price; we can't blame the US for taking a self protective stance regarding visitors.

Full marks for such a proactive response to the UK Melting Pot.

The UK Government should see this as a wakeup call.
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The problem is that the UK has had this type of policy as a direct consequence of its history. The Empire carried responsibilities at the time, and has produced waves ever since.

Most if not all the places involved in creating significant immigration numbers until very recently were either part of the British empire, or British protectorates, and the UK had no choice but to award their citizens either passports or entry.

The situation is very different now with Eastern European immigration, but this is a problem throughout Europe.
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I think that the story has been blown out of proportion but thats the tabloids for you!
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The problem is that the UK has had this type of policy as a direct consequence of its history. The Empire carried responsibilities at the time, and has produced waves ever since.

Most if not all the places involved in creating significant immigration numbers until very recently were either part of the British empire, or British protectorates, and the UK had no choice but to award their citizens either passports or entry.

The situation is very different now with Eastern European immigration, but this is a problem throughout Europe.
Respectfully disagree!

The main sway of Colonial and Protectorate immigration commenced in significant numbers in the fifties (when I was a kid living in Leicester) with West Indies, India, Pakistan and Uganda (thanks to Idi Amin) producing the main influx. These numbers were not huge and the greater majority of these people came here to work and participate in the UK economy. Leicester was a significant recipient of a number of these immigrants due to its hosiery commercial infrastructure.

In recent years, the demographics of immigrants has changed. Low skill levels, little education and the natural desire to take more out of the economy than they put in. Little or no desire to learn English, hence the advent of multi language official documentation and the free availability of translators provided at Public Expense.

This is a major issue which is becoming increasingly problematic.

The 'Empire Strikes Back' is a placebo created by weak Goverment and misinformed individuals.

Look at Crimewatch - the majority of the top ten mugshots on each programme are, invariably, non Anglo Saxon.
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