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 | |  17th September 2008, 21:30 | #101 (permalink) | | Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Matrix Gender:  Posts: 1,374 My Mood:  | Hi agian i agree to but everything is worked out on an average.and we know that an average does not really exsist when it comes to flying,because we are all taller,bigger and heavier. Quote: Originally Posted by bigtired  I take your point but clearly in the flight manifest they are taking all factors into account because otherwise planes would be falling out of the sky a lot because they got the weight wrong. I am sure there will be a real example where a plane crashed because there was an under estimation of baggage/fatties weight - if there is it has to be down to incompetence. | Just caught the last bit of your post DOH ,yes there examples especially in the USA of where planes have crashed at take off because of weight miss calculations.This is NOT incompetence but as we are disgusing weight to be takern into account.Otherwise you are having a dig at the pilots who i respect highly. They know exactly how much fuel they have (weight)baggage(weight)but they do not know the peoples weight!!! hence the importance of this thread ie should we be weighed against our total weight allowance YES,and before i get jumped on regarding being R against big people i am not.But for the safety of all flyers i agree with it. __________________
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Last edited by Scooby; 17th September 2008 at 21:46. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |  |  | | 17th September 2008, 21:56 | #102 (permalink) | | Tenerifian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Wales Gender: Posts: 163 My Mood:  | Look,
As we stand today people buy a ticket to take a flight. There are disclosure requirements regarding age and thats about it regarding getting tickets.
If planes fall out of the sky due to weight it isn't the passengers fault. | | | | | 17th September 2008, 22:07 | #103 (permalink) | | Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Matrix Gender: Posts: 1,374 My Mood: | I agree it is not the passengers fault but the thread is about weight, if the information was available to the pilots then they could work out exactly what and how many they can carry .ie weight of people ,weight of baggage,weight of aircraft,weight of fuel versus thrust and safety factors.Has or does anyone watch discovery wings? get it if you havnt and you will see it and how weight does affect flight.Even fair ground rides have a weight limit against stress,but yes no one is weighed.its all about averages. __________________
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) | | | | | 17th September 2008, 22:10 | #104 (permalink) | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Adeje, Tenerife, Espana Gender: Posts: 2,150 | Quote: Originally Posted by bigtired As we stand today people buy a ticket to take a flight. There are disclosure requirements regarding age and thats about it regarding getting tickets. | Without getting the debate all heated up again, maybe it's time that we looked forward instead of accepting things as they stand today? The only real arguments against it that I can see are (a) that things seem OK to some as they are, and (b) that there may be people offended by paying for weight. Discrimination and impracticality are not real arguments, as people who weigh differently are NOT the same, so cannot demand to be treated the same in this particular example, and the impracticalities can easily be overcome by self weighing at home, having a subtle platform in the airport that appears part of the desk, and the readout not being visible to anybody, only to the computer processing things. On the other foot, is it fair that people who weigh differently pay the same for their flight? I would say no, so we need to move forward. The environmental impact of air travel cannot be negated simply because it's a different topic - weight carried has a direct relationship with fuel used, thus on the environmental impact. As Scooby has pointed out, weight also determines a lot when it comes to air safety. I don't want to allow this to descend into a brawl again, but I think the time has come for progression, not regerssion. Dave. __________________
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Last edited by zarion; 17th September 2008 at 23:44. Reason: Fixed broken quote. | | | | | 17th September 2008, 22:33 | #105 (permalink) | | Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Matrix Gender: Posts: 1,374 My Mood: | Quote: Originally Posted by DJ Dangerous
As Scooby has pointed out, weight also determines a lot when it comes to air safety.
I don't want to allow this to descend into a brawl again, but I think the time has come for progression, not regerssion.
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| Exactly i agree it is interesting though of peoples opinion.Because i worked in the industry for along time i undrstand the question fully.A plane can only support and fly safely with a certain amount of weight.Averages do not work any more and this is my argument that is bottom line.Thank you DJ __________________
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) | | | | | 17th September 2008, 22:45 | #106 (permalink) | | Tenerifian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Wales Gender: Posts: 163 My Mood: | Thanks DJ for not descendining into FURTHER abuse because if anyone can be bothered to read the whole tedious thread YOU are the only one who resorted to abuse in the first place  How are your escaped (meoww freedom) cats by the way - escaped your ramblings I suspect - probably having cat therapy. Sorry - back to the topic. Scooby - you said this: A plane can only support and fly safely with a certain amount of weight. Averages do not work any more and this is my argument that is bottom line. I agree - whats the point? | | | | | The Following User Says Thank You to bigtired For This Useful Post: | | | 17th September 2008, 22:47 | #107 (permalink) | | Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Matrix Gender: Posts: 1,374 My Mood: | Quote: Originally Posted by bigtired Thanks DJ for not descendining into FURTHER abuse because if anyone can be bothered to read the whole tedious thread YOU are the only one who resorted to abuse in the first place How are your escaped (meoww freedom) cats by the way - escaped your ramblings I suspect - probably having cat therapy. Sorry - back to the topic. Scooby - you said this: A plane can only support and fly safely with a certain amount of weight. Averages do not work any more and this is my argument that is bottom line. I agree - whats the point? | Peoples weight.. __________________
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) | | | | | 17th September 2008, 22:57 | #108 (permalink) | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Adeje, Tenerife, Espana Gender: Posts: 2,150 | Quote: Originally Posted by bigtired Thanks DJ for not descendining into FURTHER abuse because if anyone can be bothered to read the whole tedious thread YOU are the only one who resorted to abuse in the first place How are your escaped (meoww freedom) cats by the way - escaped your ramblings I suspect - probably having cat therapy. Sorry - back to the topic. Scooby - you said this: A plane can only support and fly safely with a certain amount of weight. Averages do not work any more and this is my argument that is bottom line. I agree - whats the point? | You're welcome. Would I be incorrect in saying that your first post in this lively and interesting thread was one in which you called me something like "the forum wind-up guy"? Sorry if I'm mistaken. And before you mention ajp, I'm only referring to you and I, as I notice you took similar action when Megsdad and 9Plus were having a barney - jumped aboard and picked a side to join. Why does that sound like bullying tactics to me? The kittens seem fine. I'm sure your heartfelt concern would be appreciated by them. But your suspicions are flawed - I'd have to have been rambling in the first place, before they could escape the rambling! However, I'll put that down to possible CPU issues you may have. Maybe Scooby can clarify, but I guess that he meant that for an airline to "guess", for want of a better word, the weight on board, using an average for the number of men, women and children on board, does not seem to work. Dave. __________________
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pages! | | | | | 17th September 2008, 23:01 | #109 (permalink) | | Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Matrix Gender: Posts: 1,374 My Mood: | Exactly DJ...It Dosent work anymore.Hence the weight of people should be takern into account. __________________
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) | | | | | 17th September 2008, 23:13 | #110 (permalink) | | Tenerifian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Wales Gender: Posts: 163 My Mood: | DJ,
Regarding megsdad I got involved because of the insensitivity shown towards him given his circumstances. Elder statesmen/women on the forum expressed similar views. Instead of the poster - andy something holding his hands up and apologising he instead trys to blag it and you as a follower supports it.
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