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Old 8th August 2008, 16:55   #21 (permalink)
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Old 8th August 2008, 17:06   #22 (permalink)
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Old 8th August 2008, 17:14   #23 (permalink)
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An atom sized black hole would probably not sustain because of it's instability. If a small black hole would appear, it would only exist in a fraction of a nano second.
A black hole of 10 to the power 31 proton weights would be the size of a proton, and weigh about as much as a small mountain. It would be perfectly stable 4-5 billions of years.

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Did you know they cooled the super conducting magnets down to almost 1 Kelvin? (absolute zero!).

I wonder what the chances are the result will bring a universe the size of a grape.
No chance at all. LHC energies are pathetic compared with the 10 to the power 96C and density of the early universe. No inflation is expected.

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This is going to be extremely interesting. If they will observe Higgs boson it's going to be a breakthrough. If they won't, all theories and universe models developed by people such as Copernicus can be chucked in the bin.
Observing a Higgs boson is no big deal at the energies of the LHC, as it's properties are fixed at such low energy. Copernicus had nothing to say about the standard model - perhaps you should have mentioned Weinberg?
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A black hole of 10 to the power 31 proton weights would be the size of a proton, and weigh about as much as a small mountain. It would be perfectly stable 4-5 billions of years.
According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is very unlikely for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC. All these theories predict that these particles would disintegrate immediately. Black holes, therefore, would have no time to start accreting matter and to cause macroscopic effects.

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No chance at all. LHC energies are pathetic compared with the 10 to the power 96C and density of the early universe. No inflation is expected.
Probably right here.

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Observing a Higgs boson is no big deal at the energies of the LHC, as it's properties are fixed at such low energy.
The Higgs bosson is the only Standard Model particle not yet observed!

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I got confused with Abdus Salam. Weinberg would have been valid as well.
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OMG Data you and Torrenter are super brainy and I can't understand a feckin word of it!!!
DITTO!!! It's probably all bad too lol!
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According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is very unlikely for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC. All these theories predict that these particles would disintegrate immediately. Black holes, therefore, would have no time to start accreting matter and to cause macroscopic effects.
As the Gravitational force is 10 to the power 31 times weaker than the strong nuclear force, the smallest black hole able to be made is by definition the size of a proton, but with mass 10 to the power 31 times a proton's mass. Such a mini black hole is stable against Hawking radiation for a few billion years as I mentioned before. A black hole made during the creation of the Universe could be as small as the plank mass (10 to the power minus 43 gram) in theory, but such black holes would be impossible to make with conceivable human technology. Light takes 10 to the power minus 24 secs to cross a proton width, which gives some idea of scale. String theories speculate that space itself is made from such plank mass black holes with various modes of vibration, and with 11 or 26 dimensions, depending on who you listen to

Please tell me about any speculative theories you know that say otherwise. (include source) My knowledge may be out of date.

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Murray Gell-Mann (as the discoverer and namer of quarks) could best be described as the author of the Standard Model, though Steven Weinberg popularised the theory.

P.S. (not aimed at you @Data) It baffles me how religious people can show an interest in creation without knowing basic well-known facts about how the Universe is made. The LHC is not an object of fear, but an honest attempt to extend such knowledge.

In answer to an earlier post, I would be more than happy for funds dedicated to the "War on Terror" to be diverted to a "War on Poverty". The LHC is at least funds towards the "War on Ignorance" which is also a good cause IMHO.

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No wonder 'Data'says his/her mood is twisted! I think we'sd prefer not to know all this!!!!!!!!

I rest my case.

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