This newspaper article justifies physical violence against women. Can one reconcile cultural differences as great as this? This example just happens to be one I came across recently. It just happens to be Islamic, but I intend the question in a wider sense.
This newspaper article justifies physical violence against women. Can one reconcile cultural differences as great as this? This example just happens to be one I came across recently. It just happens to be Islamic, but I intend the question in a wider sense.
There is no justification for beating a women full stop.
There are those who try by using the cultural card, the women deserved it excuse. It does not work.
A man that beats a women is weak, he cannot express what he needs to verabally so resorts to violence.
Regarding women I can say this as I am one & have no axe to grind
We can push buttons! We do not know when to be silent (sometimes) We can be deliberate provocators (sometimes) There are women who beat their husbands/partners too
This said, there still is no justifications for violence to women.
I just didn't want a 'Men are awful' type thing, most are nice
No man nor woman should ever beat each other, it is sad, it proves their weakness and should never never happen. When kids see their parents being beaten it is even worse.
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Re wife beating, its abhorent and any civilised society should not condone it.
I have to agree with others, it shows a lack of self control and a total lack of respect for females.
On a sidenote, re the article, this is what people who design websites or write for websites call linkbait.
Basically its an article written that is intentionally designed to encourage the genration of links, the easiest way to do this is as the author has done here and pick a subject that is emotive and write a blatently antagonistic article.
The result is stacks of backlinks and visitors to your site. As far as Google is concerned, 1000's of positive votes and your site gets better rankings in the search results.
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Re wife beating, its abhorent and any civilised society should not condone it.
But what does one do if one finds another culture that has a literary and social history demonstrating a civilization over millenia ... but which approves of something that one finds abhorrent? Because this is the case here. It is coincidence that this is Islam, by the way. It's just perhaps the most obvious source of examples of cultural differences these days.
Yes, "wife beating is abhorrent and any civilised society should not condone it". I agree ... because I am from the same culture as you. It is virtually inevitable that I will agree with you. That is what we think in the west. Elsewhere, though, it is seen as "correction" in the same way that children in the West might be "corrected" by a tap on the back of the hand. The alternative, of reporting violence to the authorities, would be seen as shameful beyond bearing ... in a way that our culture cannot begin to comprehend.
As JAnot says, how does one reconcile such differences? Should one even try? And if so, which would dominate if no compromise were possible?
Hopper, I disagree re the linkbait. This is the online English-language Yemen Times. The author is a regular columnist. Just re-read his first four lines. And have a look in the online Daily Mail sometimes .... there would be similar extreme views on occasions!
There is no justification for beating a women full stop.
There are those who try by using the cultural card, the women deserved it excuse. It does not work.
A man that beats a women is weak, he cannot express what he needs to verabally so resorts to violence.
Regarding women I can say this as I am one & have no axe to grind
We can push buttons! We do not know when to be silent (sometimes) We can be deliberate provocators (sometimes) There are women who beat their husbands/partners too
This said, there still is no justifications for violence to women.
I just didn't want a 'Men are awful' type thing, most are nice
Of course there is no justification, but you really need to spend a long time within Islamic cultures, to realise the men do not see it as wrong, and many of the women are brainwashed at an early age to expect and accept it, it has been their way of life for thousands of years, long before Western society was even thought of.
Of course there is no justification, but you really need to spend a long time within Islamic cultures, to realise the men do not see it as wrong, and many of the women are brainwashed at an early age to expect and accept it, it has been their way of life for thousands of years, long before Western society was even thought of.
I know but on a basic level although it is accepted practice etc. the women are brought up to know no different, does the women not feel the hurt physically & mentally, does that not in itself tell them it could actually be wrong?
I need to preface what I am about to add to the thread because I am concerned it could be misconstrued.
I am NOT saying any woman deserves or brings it on herself but in my experience of the Asian / Islamic culture young boys can do no wrong and the women / mothers do not even attempt to restrict them or instill any or much respect for the opposite sex in them.
My wife has worked with children for over 30 years lately in a school environment with increasing numbers of young Asian / Islamic boys and she finds it extremely difficult to illicit any respect from them.
They are not rude or violent in general just very dismissive and to some extent very arrogant towards females in any position of authority.
She has said that because of the influences of living in a western society she feels this is changing slowly but the worst culprits are the mothers themselves.
With patience and tact she manages to develop a working relationship with most of the boys in her care.
As to if things can be changed she currently employs an Indian Muslim women who is of a generation that is willing to assimilate and integrate and but recently she has been "forced" to give up this job by her Mother in Law we believe and return home to raise the boys and look after her husband in a more "traditional" role.
My wife feels that physical intimidation or force if not actually used it was certainly threatened.
I think it is inevitable things will change as the world increasingly becomes a smaller and smaller place but 1000`s of years of tradition and teachings will not be resolved overnight.
I need to preface what I am about to add to the thread because I am concerned it could be misconstrued.
I am NOT saying any woman deserves or brings it on herself but in my experience of the Asian / Islamic culture young boys can do no wrong and the women / mothers do not even attempt to restrict them or instill any or much respect for the opposite sex in them.
My wife has worked with children for over 30 years lately in a school environment with increasing numbers of young Asian / Islamic boys and she finds it extremely difficult to illicit any respect from them.
They are not rude or violent in general just very dismissive and to some extent very arrogant towards females in any position of authority.
She has said that because of the influences of living in a western society she feels this is changing slowly but the worst culprits are the mothers themselves.
With patience and tact she manages to develop a working relationship with most of the boys in her care.
As to if things can be changed she currently employs an Indian Muslim women who is of a generation that is willing to assimilate and integrate and but recently she has been "forced" to give up this job by her Mother in Law we believe and return home to raise the boys and look after her husband in a more "traditional" role.
My wife feels that physical intimidation or force if not actually used it was certainly threatened.
I think it is inevitable things will change as the world increasingly becomes a smaller and smaller place but 1000`s of years of tradition and teachings will not be resolved overnight.
Yes Islamic society does change the more modern the country. U.A.E, Qatar, Oman, and Bahrain, do have a lot more respect for women, and in general embrace many western attitudes, but I don't think that it is coincidental, that these countries are also very rich.
I don't suppose its that long ago in the dim and distant past that in some quarters of the UK it was ok to go to the pub on Saturday night,have a skinful,come home and beat 7 bells out of the wife.It still goes on today and the 'wife' becomes a victim,she is so brainwashed that its her fault, she stays.In my book its one clout and you're out.
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