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Old 11th November 2007, 08:33   #1 (permalink)
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The King of Spain speaks out

Some forum members may be interested in this report of a conference where the Spanish king tells Chavez, president of Venezuela, to shut up. The language used is interesting.
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Old 11th November 2007, 10:46   #2 (permalink)
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The language used is interesting.
It would be if you were a fluent Spanish speaker

This is an english-language forum, so perhaps a translation would be in order?

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Basically, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero was summing up at the Ibero-American Summit in Chile and naturally referred to recent mainland Spanish history. In the process, he again naturally referred to the previous President of the Government (Prime Minister) José María Aznar.

Chávez, as is totally normal for him whoever is speaking, started shouting at Zapatero that he shouldn't even be talking about Aznar because he was a fascist and fascists aren't human. Zapatero tried to say, and repeated afterwards, that regardless of the genuine disagreements and dislike between himself and Aznar, Aznar was a democratically elected President of the Spanish Government .....

The microphone was switched on for Zapatero, so Chávez couldn't be easily heard, but he's loud enough for anyone's taste, so the king (sitting next to Zapatero and about five seats away from Chávez, leaned forward and told Chávez "why don't you just shut up". He didn't of course, and minutes later, the King walked out of the room in the middle of the final plenary session. Unprecedented in diplomatic circles and huge news in Spain.

Today, Chávez is spitting fury that he should have been spoken to in such a way by "just another head of state".

There's a report in English HERE

I think JAnot's particular point, though, was the language used, because the King said "Shut up" (which is pretty "informal" language in any circles) to someone who is, after all, a Head of State, and moreover used the familiar 2nd person form "Por qué no te callas". This doesn't come across, obviously, in a translated report.

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Old 11th November 2007, 14:43   #4 (permalink)
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It would be if you were a fluent Spanish speaker
That's why I said some of you - the thread is after all in the Learning Spanish section. I thought the language in the article was relatively straightforward, with some interesting points of grammar. (Although some might think that another oxymoron) Apart from what Janet mentions above, the use of the future (será) to express 'even if' etc.
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Old 19th November 2007, 18:36   #5 (permalink)
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Apparently the Kings outburst has been very popular.According to this it is now a popular ring tone in Spain.Listen to it here
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Old 19th November 2007, 18:51   #6 (permalink)
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The Spanish are simultaneously very proud and highly embarrassed, at least in diplomatic circles

What is really interesting about that ringtone is how popular it is turning out to be in Venezuela itself.
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Juan Carlos of Spain

So just another thought for the forum what do people think of the general debates in Spain about the kings comment "Callete" "Shut up" to Chavez at the last Ibero Aermican summit in Chile.???
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So just another thought for the forum what do people think of the general debates in Spain about the kings comment "Callete" "Shut up" to Chavez at the last Ibero Aermican summit in Chile.???
I have moved your post here where the subject is already being discussed.
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