Melders

There's just been a heated discussion about these on a daytime telly programme and most people agree with them being introduced.

What are your views on them?
Are you for them or against them?

At one time I was 100% in the " If you've done nothing wrong - you've nothing to worry about" camp.

For those who are for them - I'd now try and persuade you not to be.

Why?

Because if the government are prepared to sex up a report (lie) to take this country to war - do you think they'd hesitate in stitching up a mere citizen who was an awkward bugger.

welshsprout

I am 100% against it... the only thing I will say is George Orwell 1984

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stevem

Well whilst temporarily living in the UK I'm all for it.

The reason being that with so many lawful and un-lawful immigrants in the UK how do we identify who is who?

Another reason I'm all for it is maybe petty criminals would think twice about robbing your house or beating your grannie up for a fiver if they knew that their DNA and all their personal details are on a piece of plastic!

Even better, if they could come up with a fine with instant lock up if you cant pay for all the people who get away with driving uninsured, untaxed cars. Somehow linked to your ID card!!!!

An infrigement of human rights could possibly be argued but for me, it's a small price to pay in Criminal Britain these days

Go on, convert me!

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Janet

If it helps find offenders and solve cases more quickly, or track down paedophiles who subsequently move abroad ... and therefore help trace people internationally too ... then I am all for a DNA database.

As far as ID cards are concerned, I have no problem with them. The UK is the European oddity in this respect anyway, pretty much.

Sorry, Steve, but I find it difficult to disagree with you at all! And since when did we have a "human right" in the legally understood sense NOT to carry an ID card?

Geordiecraig

I cant dude......i agree with you and melders...if you've got nowt to hide then whats the harm in it. Prisons and the police are stretched enough as it is so they arent going to stitch anyone up. You can say its like big brother but i dont mind being on camera or having my DNA stored if it means I can walk the streets safely.......

Melders

I'm in the against camp now, Craig, I was for them but not now.

Don't you worry about you or a member of your family being stitched up by a Government / Police Force for something you haven't done, just to destroy your character / credibility?

Brian

uuuuuuuuuuuuuurg.
if there was appropriate policing in the 1st place, i dont think there would be a need for such things. The problem is now there might be no other option but for them to be introduced - the rot has set in so to speak. ID cards, i dont like them either - but can understand appropriate uses for them......

In the case of proven offenders, yes, for sure, go ahead and tag them, take dna etc. Sure microchip them too with RF-ID. Then you'll know where they are all the time. Statistically speaking prison doesnt work as a future deterant, and offenders are likely to offend again.

As for the lot that says "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" I disagree - I have a lot to worry about. What is wrong with MY privacy ? Its MY DNA, it belongs to me. They are MY thoughts in MY mind, next they'll want to collate them.

IIRC i heard on the news that they have already collected a million or so DNA details from children. I presume from hopsitals during routine visits or something ?

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Geordiecraig

Ohh sorry...should learn to read properly. I guess its a concern but for me its the lesser of two evils. It hasnt happened to me or my family or anyone I know....so why would it now?! However me, my family and people I know HAVE been victims of crime.......

stevem

Thank you Janet

The "human right" I was referring to was the DNA bit really.

As far as the ID card goes, in Europe we lag way behind!

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Daverock

I do not have a problem with any of it either folks.

I think the Police in Britain are becoming more and more powerless against crime in the name of human rights. Sod the human rights of the victims of crime seems to been the attitude. They need technology to work with as they have very little else that is effective.

I was recently stopped by the National Police here in Tenerife in a roadblock. It was a pretty scary experience. We were both grilled, searched and our car thoroughly searched. Our ID's were taken away and checked out. Once they realised we had nothing illegal and everything was in order they were really polite and friendly towards us. That is what I call proactive Policing and I can't see how anyone on the level would have a problem with it.

Of course there are always the bad apples among the authorities as I well know now I have the details of my made up traffic offences but that is a different story.

Given the lack of immigration controls in the UK and the many holes in the net it is about time an ID card system were introduced. People should be readily indentifiable. Then you have the other aspect of all this. We live in violent times. Victims of serious crimes may need urgent medical attention. If medical records can be available immediately by whatever means then that has to be a great bonus.